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Valid Sacraments

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Last night in a Catholic chat, there was a discussion of whether or not the sacrament of penance occurred if the wording was changed. The answer was no, the sacrament was not valid.

When, back on 2 December 2004, I blogged about “Brisbane’s Bad Baptisms”, I got an unusual number of nasty notes from folks who (assuming they agreed with my point that baptism in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier was invalid, and many did not agree), nevertheless took umbrage at my conclusion that those undergoing such rituals were not, in fact, any kind of Christian (pace the archbishop there), and that such persons, to be Christian, let alone Catholic, needed to be absolutely (not conditionally, pace 1983 CIC 869.1) baptized anew.

“It wasn’t their fault they were baptized invalidly,” wrote one unhappy reader, “how can you deny them the grace of God because of something they didn’t do?” Like, you know, I decide who gets God’s grace and who isn’t.

Read Edward Peters’ post on whether or not baptism is valid when the priests says “in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier.” See why Peters, a canon lawyer and Catholic law instructor is redeemed by responding appropriately to a readers’ question regarding the validity of sacraments when the wording is changed.

Written by smalltalkwitht

February 29, 2008 at 2:50 pm

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  1. Dangnabbit! The one night I miss chat to watch American Idol I miss out on who got forgiven and who didn’t! Did they use last names? Oh well–forget that left wing dirtying of the waters of Baptism–I didn’t know there were technical words that needed to be used in the Sacrament of Penance! I don’t think I’ve ever heard the same version twice in the Roman Catholic Church. Do you mean to tell me that the strong handshake, the look in the eye while booming “Welcome!” and the offer of a cup of coffee is not part of the correct form? I am shattered–and now, possibly, I am also UNFORGIVEN!


    February 29, 2008 at 7:17 pm

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